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November 01, 2010

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Marc Gunther

Joel, I'm glad you wrote this, and you did so very cleverly. Particularly because the Terra Choice report does not name names, and therefore can't be challenged or scrutinized, I think it's all but useless. Worse, it's likely to breed cynicism about all green marketing claims.

Mitra Ardron

Thanks Joel, I've been concerned about the Terra Choice report before, as it spreads its criticism so widely as to be meaningless. I just assumed it was part of the certification "scam" - i.e. the meaningless proliferation of certification programs that charge a lot for very little added value and in essence ensure that those who can afford to pay, rather than the most 'eco' products have the certifications.

Maybe we could also apply one of the sins to certifying programs that fail to prove that products certified with their system are actually better than other (uncertified) products making similar claims :-)

Jim Cassio

Whoa! Some great points made here, Joel. But for others who want to throw out Terra Choice with the bathwater, let's keep in mind how the proliferation of greenwashing is making "green" an increasingly meaningless word. Most consumer products marketed as "green" are promoted as green because they are... recyclable. And so I ask you, what can't be recycled? About 1% of our nuclear waste, and that's about it. Everything else is - potentially - recyclable. So claiming that a product is green based on the prospect of it being recyclable is meaningless as a marketing claim. But, of course, meaning is for those who seek it.

Jabeen Quadir

I felt considerable unease with several statements in the TerraChoice report. One example is the contradiction inherent in the so-called "sin of the hidden tradeoff", as written. The report cites the example of a product claiming to be from a sustainably managed forest and not necessarily being environmentally preferable in other ways. Later on, the report lists FSC certification as a legitimate certification. My point is that single-attribute and multi-attribute and life cycle based environmental claims are on a continuum on the scale of "greenness". They each have their place, depending on the intended use. Some of the implied "sins" are just more sensationalism until you look at what their intent and drivers are in the marketplace. I know of a Fair Trade certified product sold in North America that contains palm oil from huge swathes of deforested palm plantations in Indonesia. So is that a SIN or is it LEGIT? Confusion reigns, even within the pages of the TerraChoice report!

Jabeen Quadir

I should clarify that the product claimed Fair Trade certification for the chocolate, but the palm oil source makes it an unsustainable product overall.

Amy Spatrisano

Joel, your perspective is certainly thought provoking which is what I enjoy most about your articles. I appreciate your points about Terra Choice committing their own named "sins" (A reminder of the cautionary verse: Judge not, lest you be judged.) Yet, I still find the report a valuable one. I think the report helps people to better know what to look for, what questions to ask about product claims, not to just take things at face value. It has people think about what they are buying and that is a start. In my industry there are so many still struggling to make sense of the basics and the Terra Choice reports are written in an engaging way for the layman to understand, even if they aren't perfect.

Jim Lynch

Joel,

I just did blog piece called: "The Curious Case of the TerraChoice 2010 Greenwashing Report and EPEAT" and quoted you lavishly. Thanks for doing this.

http://blog.techsoup.org/node/1502

Jim Lynch
TechSoup Global

Frank Grenon

Very nice Joel. As always you're bang on.

Like Einstein said "everything is relative".

What is wrong with Terrachoice? Why would they use the same old marketing campaign three times? No wait, was that 4?

I'm a buddhist so I don't even feel concerned by the state of sinning. What a guilt trip if I ever saw one.

Good luck with that !

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