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October 20, 2008

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Preston

I like your point on financial versus reputational rewards. The risk of being called out as greenwashing or not doing enough, I think, could be too much for some companies. So rather than talk about what they're doing, it could be that they're just doing it (and reaping financial or other rewards). And, as you say, that doesn't mean the impetus to diminished green marketing is the economy -- it's image management.

Also, this may be overly obvious to many, but when the question of the green investments comes up, I can't help but think that value can be non-monetary. It's helpful to try to place a value on certain things, but there must be intangibles that just cannot be valued in money terms. If there are hard-to-value intangibles (say, for instance, goodwill, PR benefits, higher employee morale, etc.) it may not be wise to just give up on green investments that don't show a direct or positive payback. That is, supposing a company can still continue as an ongoing concern ...

Paul Baier

Joel,

At Groom Energy, our main set of customers for renewable and energy efficiency work are corporations (Fortune 500 like EMC, GE, etc.), although we have a number of colleges/universities. After a bit of investment in some "eye candy" (i.e. CSR report, perhaps solar panel), all investment discussions are driven around ROI; poor ROI projects like solar should simply be acknowledged as "leadership" projects. A number of leading firms, like Cummings Engines, have added energy use as a consideration to their capital appropriations requests. This is powerful to change investment decisions, particularly if the firm uses realistic assumptions about increases in energy usage in next few years. Personally, I believe everyone should _stop_ using the word "Green" and "Sustainability" for corporations, and simply use the phrase Energy Reduction. Senior executives will invest in energy reductions in a recession, and the entire green/sustainability movement will be much better served if Corporations invest faster in ROI-based, energy saving projects

Peter Totfalusi

Well, I understand how larger companies with conventional products and services adjust their day to day activities towards a greener, more sustainable future in a tough economy, but what about small businesses , green retailers selling only earth friendly products, organic and all-natural product manufacturers,organic food retailers etc. These products cost much more to manufacture, especially if they are also socially conscious like Fair Trade certified. Price is probably the biggest challenge in the green industry, and in many cases I think that companies are doing a better job becoming more environmentally friendly, as you pointed it out in this article, then the average American family.
As the owner of an Eco-Boutique, Perfectlynaturalhome.com, I am optimistically concerned.

KEN LANGDON

RE THE COST OF GOING GREEN. THE BIG QUESTION HERE IS WHAT ARE THE FUTURE COSTS OF DOING NOTHING?I SUSPECT THEY WILL BE FAR MORE THAN WE EXPECT.
POSSIBILY DEVISTATING.THOSE EXTRA COSTS SAVED SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE PROFIT SIDE OF THE STATMENT.THE LONGER WE REFUSE TO FACE FACTS THE MORE THE EVENTUAL COSTS WILL BE COMPOUNDED.THE REWARDS OF DOING WHAT IS RIGHT NOW WILL BE REALIZED IN THE FUTURE MANY TIMES OVER.

Mark W. McElroy

Hi Joel:

My own view is that folks who speak in terms of the business case for sustainability have things exactly backwards. The more important questions is, what is the sustainability case for business? Indeed, if a business can't make that case across all three bottom lines, it shouldn't be in business. Being able to make that case on a continuing basis, then, is why businesses should invest in green, sustainability, etc., and society should hold them accountable for doing doing so - as it increasingly is.

Regards,

Mark

Melissa

Do you encourage companies to scrutinize ROI and cut waste/unnecessary expenses across the business and reduce these (e.g. 5 star hotels and meals, last-minute flight changes/scheduling, first class flights) to free up funds for CSR/sustainability and the business in general? It seems that such expenses fly under the radar while CSR/sustainability projects go under the microscope.

A few questions

Are the industry standard margins appropriate expectations for CSR/sustainability projects or the business as a whole -if the business can be expected to operate in a truly eco/social responsible way? If based on one bottom line, which was set assuming unlimited natural and human resource use without implications....how can most CSR/sustainability projects "make sense"...or cents?

Are there models out there to measure intangible gains/savings such as enhanced reputation or avoided risk? I.e., where is the balance sheet/accounting system for the triple bottom line?

What is an appropriate payback time and ROI? Should it differ for CSR/sustainability vs other projects?

Mark W. McElroy

Melissa:

You ask great questions. As for an accounting system for the triple bottom line, yes, we've developed one. It's called the quotients approach to sustainability measurement and reporting. All sustainability metrics reduce to the quotient of impacts on vital capitals relative to what such impacts ought to be in order to ensure human well-being. You'll find it described in detail on our website.

Mark

hans from mokugift

What do you do when you position a green service with solid ROI, but the prospects keep thinking of it in terms of helping their brand?

Dennis Markatos-Soriano

Great post-
When the economy is not growing rapidly, it gives us the opportunity to reflect on what kind of economic recovery we want... and cost cutting through efficiency can be the bridge in 2009 to wind and solar installations in 2010 that make our businesses and other institutions become leaders in the upcoming global sustainable energy revolution. I'm psyched to see that US emissions are poised to fall 2.5% in 2008 to the lowest level since the 1990s. (see www.setenergy.org for details, a site you may want to add to your blogroll).
Onwards to sustainability,
Dennis

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